Comments on: Congratulations to a New World Cyclo Cross Champion http://bikepure.org/2010/03/congratulations-to-a-new-world-cyclo-cross-champion/ To promote positive cycling Wed, 23 May 2012 15:04:01 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.5 By: mikroos http://bikepure.org/2010/03/congratulations-to-a-new-world-cyclo-cross-champion/comment-page-1/#comment-771 mikroos Sat, 13 Mar 2010 22:56:03 +0000 http://bikepure.org/?p=2368#comment-771 Maybe there's a solution, though. As far as I know, the time needed to conduct tests and all of the paperwork is about 2 weeks. Maybe there should be some kind of a qualifying tournament 2 weeks before the actual race, after which all players who qualify to the finals are tested thoroughly? This should lead to a limitation of the number of athletes tested (which makes the whole procedure cheaper) and should make us almost 100% sure that those who take part in the actual competition are clean (because in most cases you don't benefit from doping if you use it 2 weeks before the race). This is just an idea but I believe that this could be a nice compromise. Maybe there’s a solution, though. As far as I know, the time needed to conduct tests and all of the paperwork is about 2 weeks. Maybe there should be some kind of a qualifying tournament 2 weeks before the actual race, after which all players who qualify to the finals are tested thoroughly? This should lead to a limitation of the number of athletes tested (which makes the whole procedure cheaper) and should make us almost 100% sure that those who take part in the actual competition are clean (because in most cases you don’t benefit from doping if you use it 2 weeks before the race). This is just an idea but I believe that this could be a nice compromise.

]]> By: mikroos http://bikepure.org/2010/03/congratulations-to-a-new-world-cyclo-cross-champion/comment-page-1/#comment-770 mikroos Sat, 13 Mar 2010 22:49:05 +0000 http://bikepure.org/?p=2368#comment-770 OK, I get your point, but still I think that no-one should not be eliminated just because of suspicion. Not only is this unfair, it also gives the authorities a HUGE opportunity to cheat. Don't you remember what was happening during Beijing Olympic Games where the organisers did everything to let Chinese athletes win? Now multiply this many times and here's what you get if you allow the officials to ban anyone without solid evidence. I do agree that this problem needs to be addressed, but I really believe that assuming one's innocence should be the most important rule. OK, I get your point, but still I think that no-one should not be eliminated just because of suspicion. Not only is this unfair, it also gives the authorities a HUGE opportunity to cheat. Don’t you remember what was happening during Beijing Olympic Games where the organisers did everything to let Chinese athletes win? Now multiply this many times and here’s what you get if you allow the officials to ban anyone without solid evidence.

I do agree that this problem needs to be addressed, but I really believe that assuming one’s innocence should be the most important rule.

]]> By: Tony Espotan http://bikepure.org/2010/03/congratulations-to-a-new-world-cyclo-cross-champion/comment-page-1/#comment-761 Tony Espotan Fri, 12 Mar 2010 18:41:24 +0000 http://bikepure.org/?p=2368#comment-761 Joanna is correct - young Meeusen, who started as the race favorite (and is incidentally part of BikePure) missed out big time because these Polish riders should not have been on the start line. It's just a shame it happened to be the Worlds where they were caught. Meeusen must be sick. Joanna is correct – young Meeusen, who started as the race favorite (and is incidentally part of BikePure) missed out big time because these Polish riders should not have been on the start line. It’s just a shame it happened to be the Worlds where they were caught. Meeusen must be sick.

]]> By: Joanna Heart http://bikepure.org/2010/03/congratulations-to-a-new-world-cyclo-cross-champion/comment-page-1/#comment-757 Joanna Heart Fri, 12 Mar 2010 15:07:34 +0000 http://bikepure.org/?p=2368#comment-757 Mikroos, you are missing the point. Watch the race. Meeusen gave it everything to drop the Szczepaniaks. The dopers changed the core of the event. If the passport system is to work, anyone with an 'un-normal' profile (which indicates doping) are NOT innocent. The passport needs to ID the cheats before they can abuse race results. The idea is to protect the integrity of racing. I doubt who ever wrote the article above wishes to stop anyone racing without evidence. Mikroos, you are missing the point.
Watch the race. Meeusen gave it everything to drop the Szczepaniaks. The dopers changed the core of the event. If the passport system is to work, anyone with an ‘un-normal’ profile (which indicates doping) are NOT innocent. The passport needs to ID the cheats before they can abuse race results.
The idea is to protect the integrity of racing. I doubt who ever wrote the article above wishes to stop anyone racing without evidence.

]]> By: mikroos http://bikepure.org/2010/03/congratulations-to-a-new-world-cyclo-cross-champion/comment-page-1/#comment-754 mikroos Fri, 12 Mar 2010 09:51:47 +0000 http://bikepure.org/?p=2368#comment-754 " the fact that the riders, under suspicion, still permitted to compete means the passport still has a lot of evolution to undergo" OK, that's to much for me. As far as I know it is a fundamental rule in democracy to assume innocence as long as a person under suspicion is not proven to be guilty. Banning someone or eliminating them from an important event based just on a suspicion is definitely too much. I don't even try to imagine what consequences this change could have. You could easily ban someone from starting in, say, World Cup, just because you SAY (not prove!) that their blood profile is suspicious, and then, after the World Cup, say "sorry, mate! we made a mistake, but hey! there's a local crit tomorrow, why don't you try to win?". Scary... ” the fact that the riders, under suspicion, still permitted to compete means the passport still has a lot of evolution to undergo”

OK, that’s to much for me. As far as I know it is a fundamental rule in democracy to assume innocence as long as a person under suspicion is not proven to be guilty. Banning someone or eliminating them from an important event based just on a suspicion is definitely too much.

I don’t even try to imagine what consequences this change could have. You could easily ban someone from starting in, say, World Cup, just because you SAY (not prove!) that their blood profile is suspicious, and then, after the World Cup, say “sorry, mate! we made a mistake, but hey! there’s a local crit tomorrow, why don’t you try to win?”. Scary…

]]> By: Gert Van Dertan http://bikepure.org/2010/03/congratulations-to-a-new-world-cyclo-cross-champion/comment-page-1/#comment-732 Gert Van Dertan Thu, 11 Mar 2010 21:33:53 +0000 http://bikepure.org/?p=2368#comment-732 Why are the UCI saying the biological passport programme caught the Szczepaniaks.?????? the blood profiles of these two riders were suspect. two young riders on cont, pro teams are not part of the program. Are they just making it look good, or covering a $10million invoice?! Why are the UCI saying the biological passport programme caught the Szczepaniaks.?????? the blood profiles of these two riders were suspect. two young riders on cont, pro teams are not part of the program. Are they just making it look good, or covering a $10million invoice?!

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